Not much happening around here...

[Eyedea]

I dig Agamben but I hate most of this stuff. I haven't read The Coming Insurrection yet, but I think the Call could be lumped in here, I thought that was terrible. Theoretically, I've been getting further and further from Insurrectionary Anarchism over the years so maybe it hasn't changed so much as I have.

I've only read The Coming Insurrection, but I've largely forgotten it. Reckoning back to my earlier, ranting comments on this thread, I'm not comfortable with saying why or how the french current became so tangled with I@. They're two completely different things. As I alluded to previously, an important aspect of I@, IMO, was - is - consolidating communist praxis with anarchist praxis. This is obvious with most of the popular texts and authors referenced when I@ is brought up. Bonanno, A Murder of Crows, Wolfi Landstreicher (not his earlier works as Feral Faun), Sasha K., Killing King Abacus, etc. There was an attempt, in all apparent instances (apparent to me, at least), to bring the two together on favorable, theoretical grounds. The fact that the french, post-situ current voiced pro-communist sentiment with ideas and such that came off as completely alien and separate from anarcho-syndicalism, council communism, left communism, libertarian marxism/communism, etc., facilitated an opportunity for such a consolidation to become popularized. This is mostly speculative, off-the-top-of-my-head stuff, but I'm fairly certain this is why I@ and the french current have become confused as the same thing, or even remotely related. I'm not going to say if this a problem or a blessing, but it could serve as a possible explanation for this phenomena. There's also the bit about 'insurrection', but I don't care about that. I'm not going to talk at length about something I've never experienced and currently have no tangible power over (political impotence FTW!11!1).

But truly, I see no relation between the french coming-invasion and what I contemplate and understand as insurrectionary anarchism. Just as I have no fucking clue what 'insurrectionism' is. Maybe I'm being dogmatic? As I said, the two only appear to have similarity in the fact that they facilitated, intentionally or not, the production and popularization of, at the very least, contemplations on communism without self-management ideology, without leftist baggage, without arch-typical Marxism, etc. I could be completely wrong about all of this since my perception of radical goings-on and developments is controlled by whether or not my computer is properly powered, but I feel like I've been in the loop long enough to have a general grasp of such things.

Anyways... I've also found that I strongly disagree with some of the main hypotheses or speaking points of I@, which I may have previously accepted in my blind rush to get in on post-left anarchism. But I've kept coming back to it over the past few weeks in my head and I'm interested in speaking about how I@, as an outlet for discussion and critique/polemics, might be given a kick in the ass.

[againstsleepandnightmare]

Why does the board log everyone out after 20 minutes? (unless I save my post to the clipboard, I'll lose it through being logged out by the time I've written it, a disincentive to post, something others have mentioned).

I assume it's to stop spam but other boards seem to avoid spam without these extreme measures. I'd probably post more if I could stay logged in longer.

Anyway:

I also don't seek to have a relationship with "anarchists" or examine how pathetic the milieu is and why.

Discussion about pathetic the milieu is seem to ultimately priveledge the milieu far too much. There's no stupidity here that can't be found in other subcultures - seeing as revolutionary politics has evolved/degenerated to subcultural levels.

What is the point to having a macro understanding of the world? Why must the "social order" be an examination of global power and break down its hierarchy to a local level? Why couldn't we hold more limited understandings of the world that look more into our personal relationships with how power is expressed in the world?

I think that the answer is no. I don't think it's possible to understand local interpersonal relations except in the context of the spectacle, in the context of capitalism's global trajectory and the constantly advancing means of recuperation, repression, atomization, absorption etc. This Internet board happens in the context of an Internet world, a world which is going to be an Internet world whether we go back to carving on flint or keep posting here (and the Internet world itself is the voice that says "uh, that's just junk from the Interwebs, ignore it"). Tell me how many personal relationship you can make contact without the mediation of capital in all its very modern forms - seriously.

Anyway, it seems like Insurrectionary Anarchism has consisted of nothing but some simple rules of thumb for revolutionary - Rise up, organize informally, negate capitalism. It seemed good to begin with because these were simple and easy to agree on. It's kind of broken down over time, possibly just because people got bored but also because the simple idea were also poorly defined ideas. What "informal organization"? Just as much, you can only keep the energy up to "be insurrectionary!!" for so long. The reality is that popular rebellion (and trendy youth rebellion like the WTO/traveling protest scene) comes and goes. That's not saying this is all that there has been to Insurrectionary Anarchism but it's been the underpinning to everything else.

As far as this board goes ... part of the lack of activity is that it's been boycotted by various folks for lack of editorial responsibility. Justified or not, this cuts down on the traffic and gives the trolls that much bigger a voice. But just as much, the original scene has kind of died away as noted.

But what the heck, I'm still game to see what can happen here. I'm not sure that

[bzfgt]

I kind of like the lack of editorial responsibility. The lack of authorial responsibility, on the other hand, can be annoying. But that's OK too I guess. But this site has an ill-defined raison d'etre at this point. Something has to happen to kick some life into it, or not. The little flare-ups over the past few years have been largely disappointing. Maybe somebody has to have an idea or two, I don't know. It probably won't be me...usually when I get excited about something the thread fizzles out or bores the shit out of everybody else, so I'm probably not "the One" we are waiting for...the anti-political Messiah who will rescue us from doldrums.

Red, I think it's safe to say that any time you are writing a post long enough to take 20 minutes, you should be saving it to Clipboard or whatever as you go anyway...I've lost a few, as have we all...tragic.

[againstsleepandnightmare]

Buzzy,

I do know that I should be saving posts and all.

One thing though, is that I just noticed that I posting a lot one site that kept me logged in all the time - indeed far more than the site deserved.

If "the management" was looking for simple ways to generate interest in the site, making easier to use by not doing the auto-log-out thing is something that comes to mind.

[Eyedea]

Oh, that's simple to get around. Just copy your comment, log back in, and paste it. That's what I've been doing, since I neglect my comments sometimes for long periods of time (I can't multitask; can only do one thing at a time).

the anti-political Messiah who will rescue us from doldrums.

I hope I'm not enabling the doldrums.

I like this place - I can speak my mind, no matter how asinine my thoughts may be, and not fear reprisal from some pissed off activist or anarchist. I don't think I've ever gotten into a fit of name calling or have become really frustrated with people's commentary on AP. That counts for something in my books.

EDIT: Well, there was that one time with matt...

[GrayMouser]

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[spanarchist]

Hey. I'll admit to having tried to promote this site in various ways, including posting the link to various indymedia sites over the years. Maybe that was a waste of time, being that they're so Left-wing of colonialism and all.

As to not much happening around here, well, there are times for lulls. Maybe most people would rather take their consciousness out into the world than sit in front of a computer getting radiated? Me, I come back from time to time to see what's up, and sometimes, like today, i come with something that might prove interesting to discuss.

Other than that, I disagree, naturally, with any attempt to try to artificially block certain users who ain't up to par with your (too alienated?) beliefs about What Newbies Will Have To Act Like and How They Will Have To Think in Order to be "serious". I think you're all missing the reality that many are at many different levels of intuitive dissent, and they aint' gonna be uniform at all. Projects which want to reach (or bridge with) the myriad forms in which dissent conjures itself, i think are going to have to wake up to these sorts of realities.

Or you can always go back to your jargon-filled academic ghettos, eh?

If i missed anything, or mis-characterized you, Aragorn (and others), maybe that's a good thing. Such springs have been welling up within me for awhile anyway, already. Maybe what we really need is to just have a good old-fashioned wrasslin' tourney. In the mud of our respective corralls...hee hee.

[tout_niquer]

I would be very interested in discussion here picking up again and making some effort to help that happen. I've been mostly bored with anarchist news except for the occasional article or controversy (the most interesting thing happening being anokchan is very telling) and Infoshop comments have been dead or the site has been offline regularly for a very long time.

This forum has in the past been very important for the development of my ideas, although I had mostly been content or comfortable to be a spectator in these conversations.