Salon is baaack...

Re: Salon is baaack...

Postby HPWombat on Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:24 pm

To aid in the speculation on why nobody cares. Who are we?

We communicate on the Internet.
We like to read and write and are fairly proficient with a keyboard.
We like to read anti-political theory.
We are like to and are able to express thoughts relating to anti-politics and anti-political theory.
We understand many philosophic avenues and how we relate to various ways of thinking.

I can't speak of where the populizers are, but just with these small limitations, there are few that would be able to enter any of our projects on par with our theoretic development. It also becomes apparent rather quickly that anyone that is more of a doer than a student may pervert the project as we (the developers) had intended.

I've had some thoughts on the master/student relationship in Eastern philosophy and perhaps there is something to making such relationships more common among those that study outside of institutions? Or perhaps the project lead vs. project participant? There could be some discussion on the technical authority and why people like us are willing to accept some of these relationships or not. Is there a difference in how we express technical authority on the Internet vs. in our face-to-face projects?

I guess on the subject of populizer, typically it is from the generation after that populizers come around. Based on how most of us spread information, the populizers are probably among the activist milieu, attempting to figure out how to keep their friends while breaking with activism. Perhaps they are also attempting to figure out how to use anti-political theory in an active way without engaging in activism. They could also be part of academia, lurking on the anti-politics forums.
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Re: Salon is baaack...

Postby Eyedea on Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:21 pm

hpwombat wrote:I guess on the subject of populizer, typically it is from the generation after that populizers come around. Based on how most of us spread information, the populizers are probably among the activist milieu, attempting to figure out how to keep their friends while breaking with activism. Perhaps they are also attempting to figure out how to use anti-political theory in an active way without engaging in activism. They could also be part of academia, lurking on the anti-politics forums.


No matter how half-baked, superficial, or ignorant it may be, there's been a concerted effort to break away from activism among some anarchists and put their new perspective into active projects (in North America, at least).

As I see it, the problem with the popular critique of activism is that it's only a half-critique (the other half is still very alien). This critique of political activism, contributed by I@ (which is where these people are coming from, no matter if they recognize it or not), takes aim at the 'specialist' nature of activism. The messianic complex of the militant Left, professional activism/NGO's, the policing tendencies of civil disobedience ideologues, etc. The critique of political organizations contributed by insurrectionary anarchists was focused on how organizational efforts by pro-revolutionaries could be harmful or reactionary to the organization's members themselves, and how the popular organizational models of anarchists were detrimental to anarchy - as a defined praxis or maybe as a principled way of living. Nihilist Communism was published in, what, 2001? This site was started... when? I was exposed to the anarchist milieu in, say, 2008 (at least at an intellectual level - which is basically how it has stayed ever since), so I'm not confident I can give a clear picture on how the more popular and present effort to break from activism and the Left, which in my eyes seems to have been initiated in large part by insurrectionary anarchism, has reacted to the complete anti-political critique (and here I'm defining this as something like Killing King Abacus and it's ilk + Nihilist Communism). I think it's pretty obvious that most of the projects and such that declare themselves separate from activism and/or the Left are full of crap - they still fervently pursue 'organizing', as if it's a valid goal - but at least they're warmed to such ideas. I'll give them credit for being open-minded.

Aspects of insurrectionary anarchism appear to have become popularized but only at face value, with the anti-political critique having been overshadowed by a number of things (like the hype surrounding the emergence of the post-situ current from France).

Anti-political critique has yet to be realized in an active, "projectual" way. People are still stringing together 'politics' and 'anti-politics' (often putting the latter in parentheses, as an after thought or a rhetorical embellishment) in the same sentence. And like wombat said, "It also becomes apparent rather quickly that anyone that is more of a doer than a student may pervert the project as we (the developers) had intended". It's easier to swallow for someone, like myself, who is more of a student - an absent minded professor - than a doer or a 'militant'. I haven't been entrenched in organizing efforts and political projects for the past decade or so. Many people, even the people who are comfortable with whatever they think anti-political critique is, have.

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